The $95 Pair of Glasses That Broke an Oligopoly
In 2010, a pair of prescription eyeglasses in the United States cost, on average, somewhere north of $300 — and nobody could explain why. The lenses were commodity polymers. The frames were injection-molded acetate or stamped metal, manufactured overwhelmingly in a single Chinese city, Wenzhou, at a cost of a few dollars per unit. The prescription itself was already paid for. Yet the sticker at the optometrist's office read like a luxury purchase, and the customer had almost no leverage, because a single company — Luxottica, the Italian conglomerate controlled by the septuagenarian billionaire
Leonardo Del Vecchio — owned Ray-Ban, Oakley, Persol, Oliver Peoples, and the licenses for Prada, Chanel, Versace, Dolce & Gabbana, and Burberry, while simultaneously operating LensCrafters, Pearle Vision, Sunglass Hut, and Target Optical, and controlling EyeMed, the second-largest vision insurance plan in North America. The vertical integration was so complete, so deliberately opaque, that it amounted to a toll booth disguised as a shopping mall. Into this arrangement walked four Wharton MBA students who priced their glasses at $95, shipped them directly to consumers' doors, and — in a move that made the early internet-era commentariat lose its collective mind — let people try on five pairs at home for free before deciding.
The company they built, Warby Parker, did not merely sell cheap glasses online. It constructed, piece by piece, a vertically integrated brand-retail-healthcare company that would eventually do battle with Luxottica (now EssilorLuxottica, after the 2018 merger with the French lens giant Essilor) not on the Italian giant's terms but on entirely new ones — combining a direct-to-consumer pricing model with a physical retail footprint that expanded while traditional optical chains contracted, layering in eye exams, contact lenses, telehealth, and proprietary diagnostic technology. The company went public via direct listing on the New York Stock Exchange in September 2021 at a valuation north of $6 billion. By 2024, it operated more than 270 stores across the United States and Canada, generated approximately $767 million in net revenue, and had sold over 15 million pairs of glasses — all while maintaining the original $95 starting price point that had, for fourteen years, served as both brand signature and economic weapon.
The Warby Parker story is often told as a David-and-Goliath fable: plucky startup disrupts evil monopolist. The reality is more interesting, and more instructive. It is a story about price transparency as a form of brand building, about the counterintuitive decision to open physical stores at precisely the moment every consumer brand was supposed to be going digital-only, about the excruciating operational complexity of combining healthcare delivery with fashion retail, and about whether a company that defined itself through disruption can sustain its identity as it becomes the incumbent.
By the Numbers
Warby Parker at a Glance
$767MNet revenue (FY2024)
270+Retail stores across the U.S. and Canada
$95Starting price per pair of prescription glasses since 2010
15M+Pairs of glasses distributed (including Buy a Pair, Give a Pair)
~3,000Employees
$1.7BApproximate market cap (early 2025)
2010Year founded
Four MBAs and a Lost Pair of Glasses
The founding mythology has been rehearsed so many times it reads like corporate liturgy, but the details still carry force. Neil Blumenthal, the operational conscience of the quartet, had spent five years at VisionSpring, a nonprofit that trained women in developing countries to sell affordable eyeglasses — a role that gave him an unusually granular understanding of optical supply chains, lens manufacturing costs, and the staggering global scale of uncorrected refractive error. Andrew Hunt, David Gilboa, and Jeffrey Raider were his Wharton classmates; Gilboa's inciting grievance — losing a pair of glasses on a backpacking trip and discovering the replacement cost exceeded that of his first iPhone — became the company's origin parable, the kind of consumer indignation that fundraising decks are built from.
What made the founding team more than just four articulate business students with a grievance was the synthesis of Blumenthal's operational knowledge with Gilboa's consumer instinct and the group's collective appetite for brand building. They understood, before most of the DTC cohort that would follow, that price disruption alone was insufficient. The $95 price point had to feel like a choice, not a compromise — the glasses had to look as good as the $400 pairs, the website had to feel like a magazine, and the brand had to carry cultural signaling power that went beyond "I saved money." They studied Toms Shoes' buy-one-give-one model and adapted it: Buy a Pair, Give a Pair, a program that would eventually distribute millions of glasses to people in need through partnerships with nonprofits like VisionSpring.
Warby Parker launched on February 15, 2010, with a website, a single collection of frames, and a GQ feature that hit before the founders had fully stress-tested their inventory systems. The site crashed almost immediately. They sold through their entire first-year inventory target in under a month. The waitlist grew to 20,000 names. The demand was real — and the chaos of fulfilling it from Blumenthal's apartment, where the founders packed boxes on the floor, became another piece of the mythology.
We had a theory that if we could offer glasses that were fashionable, at a fraction of the price, and we could build a brand that people could connect with emotionally, we could disrupt a $100 billion industry.
— Neil Blumenthal, Co-CEO, Warby Parker
The Toll Booth on Your Face
To understand what Warby Parker disrupted, you have to understand what it disrupted against. EssilorLuxottica — formed by the 2018 merger of Luxottica and Essilor, but functionally dominated by Luxottica's retail-and-brand machinery — is one of the great vertical monopolies of the consumer economy. In 2024, the combined entity generated approximately €25.4 billion in revenue. It manufactures frames and lenses. It owns the brands. It licenses the luxury labels. It operates the retail stores. It runs the vision insurance plans that steer patients to those stores. The integration is so thorough that when Oakley's founder, Jim Jannard, briefly tried to pull his brand from Luxottica's retail channels in the early 2000s, the stock price cratered and the company was eventually acquired. The message to the industry was clear: Luxottica was not merely a participant in the eyewear value chain. It was the eyewear value chain.
The consequence for consumers was a pricing structure that bore almost no relationship to manufacturing costs. A pair of frames that cost $4–$8 to produce in Wenzhou or Shenzhen would pass through Luxottica's brand portfolio (adding brand licensing fees), through its manufacturing operations in Italy and China (adding vertically captured margin), through its wholesale distribution (adding another layer), into its own retail stores (LensCrafters, Pearle Vision) or those of independent opticians who relied on Luxottica for product, and finally to a consumer whose vision insurance — often EyeMed — would cover a fraction of the cost, creating the illusion of a deal on a $400 pair of glasses. The opacity was the business model. Nobody along the chain had an incentive to explain the actual economics, because everybody was getting paid.
Warby Parker's disruption was not primarily technological. It was informational. By publicizing the approximate cost of manufacturing a pair of eyeglasses — by making the supply chain legible — the company weaponized price transparency. The $95 starting price was not a loss leader. Warby Parker designed its own frames, contracted directly with factories (initially in China, later increasingly in-house at its own optical lab), sourced lenses from manufacturers outside the Essilor ecosystem, cut out wholesale distribution entirely, and sold directly to consumers online and through its own stores. The gross margin was healthy — approximately 55–58% in recent years — because the traditional markup was so absurdly inflated that even at a 70%+ discount to the industry's average selling price, the unit economics worked.
How Warby Parker short-circuited the traditional markup
| Stage | Traditional Model | Warby Parker Model |
|---|
| Frame Design | Licensed brands (Luxottica-owned or licensed) | In-house design team |
| Frame Manufacturing | Luxottica factories (Italy/China) | Direct factory contracts; growing in-house lab capacity |
| Lens Manufacturing | Essilor-dominated | Independent labs; proprietary optical lab |
| Distribution | Wholesale to retail chains | Direct-to-consumer (e-commerce + owned stores) |
| Retail | LensCrafters, Pearle Vision, independent opticians | 270+ Warby Parker stores |
The Home Try-On Hack
The earliest and most consequential innovation wasn't the price. It was the box.
Buying glasses online in 2010 was a psychologically fraught proposition. Glasses sit on your face. They define how you look to other people. They are, alongside maybe a wedding ring and a wristwatch, the most physically intimate consumer product most people own. The idea that you could buy them without trying them on — from a website, sight unseen — felt absurd to most consumers and insane to the optical industry.
Warby Parker's Home Try-On program solved the trust problem with an elegantly brute-force mechanism: pick five frames on the website, receive them in the mail within days, wear them around for five days, return the ones you don't want (free shipping both ways), and then order the pair you chose with your prescription. The cost to the company was real — shipping, inventory tied up in try-on circulation, the labor of processing returns — but the customer acquisition effect was extraordinary. The box itself became a social media artifact. People photographed themselves in all five pairs, posted the images to Instagram and Facebook, and asked their friends to vote. The Home Try-On program turned every prospective customer into a brand ambassador, generating organic social proof at a scale that no paid advertising budget could replicate.
The insight was deceptively simple: in a category defined by vanity and anxiety, reduce the risk to zero. No financial commitment. No social pressure from a salesperson. Just a quiet experiment in your own mirror, on your own time, with your own friends serving as the jury. The program was not cheap to operate, and it required solving a logistics puzzle — maintaining a separate inventory of try-on frames, managing the circular shipping loop, tracking which styles generated the highest conversion-to-purchase rates — but it converted skeptics into believers at a rate that justified every dollar.
The Showroom Thesis
Here is the decision that separates Warby Parker from the dozens of DTC brands that launched between 2010 and 2015 and subsequently collapsed, pivoted, or got acquired at distressed valuations: the move into physical retail.
The prevailing wisdom in the early 2010s consumer startup ecosystem, fueled by the venture capital machine and the mythology of Bonobos, Dollar Shave Club, and Casper, was that physical stores were the dying legacy of a pre-internet age. Retail was dead. The future was digital. Warby Parker's own origin story — disrupting LensCrafters by selling online — reinforced this narrative. And yet, beginning in 2013 with a small store in SoHo, the company started opening physical locations. Not as an afterthought. Not as a temporary marketing stunt. As the strategic center of the business.
The reasoning was grounded in data, not sentiment. The co-founders had noticed that online conversion rates were significantly higher in zip codes where Warby Parker had done pop-up events or had any physical presence. Customers wanted to touch the product. They wanted to try on glasses in person. They wanted the option of walking into a store, even if they ultimately ordered online. More importantly, as Warby Parker expanded its product offering into progressive lenses, prisms, and more complex prescriptions, the company needed optometrists — licensed practitioners who could perform eye exams and fit lenses — and those optometrists needed consulting rooms.
By 2024, more than 270 stores dotted the American landscape, overwhelmingly in high-traffic urban and suburban retail corridors — the kinds of locations where a 1,500-square-foot footprint with high ceilings, warm lighting, and impeccable visual merchandising could generate extraordinary revenue per square foot. The stores were not cost centers. They were profit centers. Warby Parker reported that stores contributed the majority of revenue and achieved four-wall profitability relatively quickly, with new locations ramping to maturity within approximately 20 months. The retail expansion drove customer acquisition at a lower blended cost than pure digital marketing — a revelation that inverted the DTC playbook entirely.
We don't think about online versus offline. We think about meeting customers wherever they are and making the experience as seamless as possible.
— Dave Gilboa, Co-CEO, Warby Parker
The irony was rich. The company that had disrupted brick-and-mortar optical retail was building one of the most admired physical retail operations in America. But the irony obscured the logic: Warby Parker wasn't returning to the old model. It was building a new kind of retail — stores that functioned as customer acquisition engines, optometric service centers, brand temples, and data-collection nodes simultaneously, all integrated with the e-commerce platform through a shared customer profile and inventory system.
The Aesthetics of Accessibility
Warby Parker is, at its core, a brand company — and the brand was constructed with an intentionality that deserves its own analysis.
The name itself was borrowed from two characters in Jack Kerouac's journals, a detail that signaled literary aspiration and vintage Americana without being precious about it. The visual identity — clean sans-serif typography, a muted palette of blues and grays, photography that favored natural light and ethnically diverse models wearing glasses in the context of their actual lives rather than studio-lit close-ups — was calibrated to project a specific cultural position: smart, accessible, unpretentious, but not cheap. The $95 price point was low enough to feel democratic, high enough to avoid Zenni Optical's commodity stigma.
The annual reports, released voluntarily long before the company was public, read like Monocle features — glossy, playful, packed with data presented through inventive infographics. The brand collaborations were deliberate cultural positioning: limited-edition collections with artists, musicians, and designers that generated press coverage and social media engagement far in excess of the unit sales. The Buy a Pair, Give a Pair program was not just philanthropy but identity infrastructure — it gave the customer a story to tell about why they chose Warby Parker over Luxottica, a narrative of ethical consumption that reinforced the premium-accessible positioning.
All of this was intentional, and all of it worked. Warby Parker consistently ranked among the most admired brands in consumer surveys, alongside companies that spent ten or fifty times more on marketing. The brand equity was real and durable. But it also created a strategic constraint: the $95 price point, so central to the brand's identity, limited the company's ability to move upmarket into premium progressives or specialty lenses that might command significantly higher ASPs (average selling prices). This tension — between the brand promise of accessibility and the financial imperative to increase revenue per customer — would become one of the central strategic questions of the company's second decade.
Inside the Machine: Operations as Moat
The elegant storefronts and the literary brand name concealed an operational engine of considerable complexity. Selling prescription eyeglasses is not like selling sneakers or mattresses. Every order is bespoke — a unique combination of frame style, frame size, lens type (single-vision, progressive, bifocal), lens material (standard, polycarbonate, high-index), lens coatings (anti-reflective, blue-light-filtering, photochromic), and prescription parameters (sphere, cylinder, axis, pupillary distance, optical center heights for progressives). The permutations number in the hundreds of thousands.
To manage this complexity, Warby Parker invested heavily in its own optical laboratory, where lenses were cut, coated, and fitted into frames. The company's Sloatsburg, New York optical lab — opened in 2016 and expanded multiple times since — gave Warby Parker vertical control over the final and most critical step of the manufacturing process. In-house lab capacity meant faster turnaround times (frames could ship in as few as 3–5 business days for standard orders), higher quality control, and — crucially — cost advantages on the high-margin lens component that traditional retailers captured through the Essilor-dominated wholesale lens supply chain.
The technology layer was equally important. Warby Parker built proprietary point-of-sale systems that integrated in-store eye exams with online accounts, so a customer could get an exam in a Warby Parker store, have the prescription automatically loaded into their profile, and order glasses from their phone that evening. The Virtual Try-On tool, launched in 2019, used iPhone facial-mapping technology to let customers see how frames looked on their face through the app. The Prescription Check app, which used telehealth-enabled technology to allow customers to renew an existing prescription from home (where permitted by state law), represented an early move into healthcare delivery that foreshadowed a more ambitious clinical strategy.
None of this was easy. Optical retail sits at the intersection of healthcare regulation, fashion merchandising, and e-commerce logistics — three domains with fundamentally different operational rhythms and regulatory environments. Every state has its own rules about who can perform eye exams, how prescriptions can be issued, whether telehealth renewals are permitted, and how optical dispensing must be supervised. Warby Parker had to build a regulatory affairs team that operated as a perpetual state-by-state compliance operation. This complexity — boring, expensive, invisible to the consumer — was itself a moat.
The Direct Listing and What Came After
Warby Parker chose to go public via direct listing on the NYSE on September 29, 2021, under the ticker WRBY. The direct listing — following the model pioneered by Spotify and later adopted by Coinbase, Roblox, and others — meant the company did not raise new capital and did not pay underwriting fees. Existing shareholders, including the venture firms that had backed the company through multiple rounds — General Catalyst, Tiger Global, T. Rowe Price, among others — could sell into the public market directly.
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The Path to Public Markets
Key milestones in Warby Parker's capital formation
2010Founded; seed funding from First Round Capital and others.
2012Series A led by General Catalyst.
2015Valued at $1.2 billion (Series D); one of the earliest "unicorn" DTC brands.
2018Raised $75 million at a reported $1.75 billion valuation (Series E).
2020Raised $245 million in Series G at a reported $3 billion valuation.
2021Direct listing on NYSE (September 29); market cap briefly exceeded $6 billion.
2022–23Stock declined ~75% from highs amid DTC selloff and profitability concerns.
2024
The timing was, in retrospect, spectacularly unfortunate for anyone who bought shares in the first weeks of trading. WRBY debuted at around $54 per share, briefly spiked, and then began a long, grinding descent that tracked the broader DTC reckoning. The market, which had in 2020 and 2021 assigned heroic valuations to any company with "direct-to-consumer" in its pitch deck, reversed course violently in 2022 as interest rates rose, customer acquisition costs climbed, and investors demanded proof that these businesses could actually produce durable profits. Warby Parker's stock fell below $10 at its nadir — a more than 80% decline from the listing-day highs.
The irony, again, was that Warby Parker was among the most operationally sound of the DTC cohort. It had real stores generating real revenue, a genuine brand with repeat purchase behavior, a product category with an inherent replacement cycle (people need new glasses every few years), and margins that, while not yet producing consistent GAAP profitability, were clearly moving in the right direction. The company's adjusted EBITDA turned positive in FY2023 and expanded further in FY2024, as operating leverage from the maturing store base and increasing scale in the optical lab started to compound. Net revenue grew approximately 14% year-over-year to reach roughly $767 million in FY2024, with gross margins holding steady in the 55–58% range.
But the market's message was clear: growth without profitability was no longer sufficient. Warby Parker's management responded by moderating store openings (though not stopping them), improving unit economics, expanding higher-margin offerings like progressive lenses and contact lenses, and pushing toward cash-flow breakeven and beyond. The company entered 2025 with a renewed focus on profitability metrics, a capital-light expansion model for new stores, and a strategic roadmap that increasingly emphasized healthcare services — eye exams, contact lens fittings, and the possibility of in-store diagnostic technologies — as both a revenue growth vector and a customer acquisition moat.
The Contact Lens Bet and the Healthcare [Pivot](/mental-models/pivot)
For most of its first decade, Warby Parker was an eyeglasses company — frames and prescription lenses, period. The addition of contact lenses, beginning in earnest around 2019–2020, represented a deliberate expansion into the other half of the vision correction market, a $15+ billion U.S. industry dominated by Johnson & Johnson Vision, CooperVision, Alcon, and Bausch + Lomb.
The strategic logic was compelling. Contact lens customers are among the most loyal and highest-LTV consumers in healthcare: they need a regular supply (daily, biweekly, or monthly disposables), they tend to stick with a brand once fitted, and the recurring revenue profile looks more like SaaS than like fashion retail. By offering contacts through its app, website, and stores — initially by reselling branded lenses from manufacturers like Hydralens and others, and eventually by launching its own daily contact lens brand, Scout — Warby Parker could increase revenue per customer, extend the lifetime value of existing customers, and create a stickier relationship that went beyond a biannual glasses purchase.
Scout by Warby Parker, launched in 2022, was the company's own branded daily contact lens — manufactured by a third party but designed, packaged, and marketed under the Warby Parker ecosystem. Priced competitively against Hubble and other DTC contacts but positioned with the brand cachet of Warby Parker's core identity, Scout was an attempt to replicate the same playbook from eyeglasses: cut out the middleman, price transparently, and deliver directly to the consumer with the kind of branding and experience that the category's incumbents (giant pharmaceutical companies) had never bothered to provide.
The healthcare services layer ran even deeper. By 2024, a significant portion of Warby Parker stores offered comprehensive eye exams, either through employed optometrists or through partnerships with independent ODs. The eye exam was the top of the funnel — a customer who came in for a $75–$95 eye exam was already in the store, already had a prescription in the system, and faced near-zero friction in ordering glasses, sunglasses, contacts, or all three. The exam itself was a revenue generator, but its real value was as a customer acquisition tool that happened to carry its own margin.
We want to be the destination for all of your vision needs. Eye exams, glasses, sunglasses, contacts — we want to earn that relationship over time.
— Neil Blumenthal, Co-CEO, Warby Parker, Q4 2023 earnings call
The Co-CEO Structure and the Culture Question
Warby Parker has been led since its founding by co-CEOs Neil Blumenthal and Dave Gilboa — a structure that corporate governance orthodoxy views with suspicion but that has, in this case, endured for fifteen years without visible fracture. Blumenthal and Gilboa divided responsibility along lines that mapped loosely to their respective temperaments: Blumenthal overseeing brand, social impact, and external affairs; Gilboa running technology, operations, and finance. The other two co-founders, Andrew Hunt and Jeffrey Raider, departed the day-to-day operations earlier — Raider went on to co-found Harry's, the razor company, which itself became a significant DTC brand.
The culture was deliberately designed to project warmth, quirkiness, and mission-driven purpose — the annual reports with their whimsical design, the office dogs, the reading lists, the emphasis on social impact through the Buy a Pair, Give a Pair program. Warby Parker was, in many ways, the Platonic ideal of the mission-driven millennial brand: aesthetically refined, ethically conscious, effortlessly communicated through the visual grammar of Instagram. The culture attracted talent and generated intense employee loyalty for years.
As the company scaled past 2,000 employees, navigated a pandemic, went public, and then faced the brutal reality of post-IPO profitability expectations, the culture question became more complex.
Cost discipline required layoffs. Store expansion required hiring and training thousands of retail and optometric staff, a very different workforce from the Brooklyn design-school graduates who populated the early team. The co-CEO structure — praised for its collaborative decision-making — was occasionally questioned by analysts who wanted a single, accountable leader to drive the profitability push. Blumenthal and Gilboa's response was characteristically measured: they emphasized complementary skill sets, aligned incentives, and a decision-making framework that had been refined over a decade and a half of partnership.
The Map and the Territory
Zoom out. What is Warby Parker, structurally? It is a vertically integrated specialty retailer with an omnichannel distribution model, a healthcare services layer, and a consumer brand that functions as the connective tissue holding all the pieces together. In the taxonomy of
The Business Model Navigator — the St. Gallen framework that catalogs 55 recurring business model patterns — Warby Parker combines at least four distinct patterns:
Direct Selling (eliminating intermediaries to capture margin and control the customer relationship),
Experience Selling (the stores, the brand, the unboxing experience),
Robin Hood (premium product at accessible prices, cross-subsidized by operational efficiency), and
Self-Service (the Home Try-On, the Virtual Try-On, the Prescription Check app — all mechanisms that shift labor from the company to the customer while improving the experience).
The recombination is the innovation. Individually, none of these patterns are novel. Together, applied to a $140 billion global eyewear market dominated by a single vertically integrated incumbent, they produced something genuinely new: a brand that made buying glasses feel like an act of consumer intelligence rather than a grudging medical expense.
The map of the business model, however, only partially captures the territory. The competitive dynamics are shifting. EssilorLuxottica, stung by the DTC insurgency and by growing public awareness of its market dominance (a 2012 60 Minutes segment was particularly damaging), has invested in its own e-commerce capabilities and acquired GrandVision, one of Europe's largest optical retail chains, for €7.2 billion in 2021. Zenni Optical, the value-oriented online player, has grown to substantial scale with an even lower price point ($7 frames) and massive SEO-driven customer acquisition. 1-800 Contacts, acquired by KKR in 2016, has expanded aggressively in contact lenses. The field is no longer Warby Parker versus Luxottica. It is Warby Parker versus everyone.
A Pair of Glasses in Every Mirror
There is a photograph from February 2010 — the month of the launch — that the founders have referenced in interviews. It shows cardboard boxes stacked floor to ceiling in Neil Blumenthal's apartment, a makeshift shipping operation assembled from Amazon tape and USPS Priority Mail envelopes. Blumenthal and Gilboa and Hunt and Raider are on the floor, packing glasses into boxes, trying to fill orders from a waitlist that had already exceeded anything their financial model had projected.
Fourteen years later, the company that began in that apartment operates an optical lab in New York's Hudson Valley, a distribution center, a headquarters in lower Manhattan, and more than 270 retail stores where customers sit in chairs designed by the Warby Parker team, try on frames curated by the Warby Parker design studio, and receive eye exams from optometrists who work within the Warby Parker ecosystem. The transformation from apartment-floor startup to publicly traded healthcare-retail hybrid is complete.
And yet the animating tension remains unresolved. The $95 price point — the founding gesture, the brand's central promise — is both the company's greatest asset and its most binding constraint. Average revenue per customer needs to grow for the company to achieve the kind of durable profitability that the public markets demand. Progressives, contact lenses, sunglasses, accessories, eye exams: every strategic initiative of the past five years has been, at bottom, an attempt to increase the lifetime value of a customer who walked in the door because the starting price was $95.
In Q4 2024, Warby Parker reported its highest quarterly revenue on record. Adjusted EBITDA margins continued to expand. The store fleet was approaching the inflection point where new unit openings contributed accretively to corporate-level profitability rather than diluting it. The stock, still far below its IPO-day highs, had begun to recover as the company demonstrated that the model could generate cash.
In Sloatsburg, New York, in the optical lab where Warby Parker cuts and coats its own lenses, technicians feed polycarbonate blanks into surfacing machines that grind prescription curves accurate to a hundredth of a diopter. Each lens is edged to fit a specific frame, coated with anti-reflective treatment, inspected by quality control, and paired with its match. The finished pair is placed in a case — the brand's signature hard case with the embossed owl logo — boxed, labeled, and shipped. The cost of materials is a few dollars. The retail price is $95. The spread between those two numbers, multiplied by millions of customers over years, is the entire argument.